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Ahoj chtěl bych se zeptat jak funguje systém odevzdávání itemů u Makamita pro zručnost.
Je to celé jen o náhodě nebo ne? Protože se mi furt stává to, že když odevzdám vzácnější item... tak mi ho skoro vždy vezme, na rozdíl od běžných itemů. (Nejvíce se mi to děje teď, co mám zručku víc jak G1)

Ahoj, pro výpočet % na úspěšné odevzdání předmětu je tu tabulka od hráče Itako. Jestli ale mluví stoprocentně pravdu, to můžeme jen spekulovat.

Itako píše:

Zručnosť:

	Stupeň zručnosti	1.item	2.item	3.item	4.item	5.item	6.item	7.item	8.item	9.item	10.item	11.item	12.item	13.item	14.item	15.item	16.item	17.item	18.item	19.item	20.item	21.item	22.item	23.item	24.item	25.item	26.item	27.item	28.item	29.item	30.item	31.item	32.item	33.item	34.item	35.item	36.item	37.item	38.item	39.item	40.item
	G10	2,5%	5%	7,5%	10%	12,5%	15%	17,5%	20%	22,5%	25%	27,5%	30%	32,5%	35%	37,5%	40%	42,5%	45%	47,5%	50%	52,5%	55%	57,5%	60%	62,5%	65%	67,5%	70%	72,5%	75%	77,5%	80%	82,5%	85%	87,5%	90%	92,5%	95%	97,5%	100%
	G9	2,564%	5,128%	7,692%	10,256%	12,821%	15,385%	17,949%	20,513%	23,077%	25,641%	28,205%	30,769%	33,3%	35,897%	38,462%	41,026%	43,59%	46,154%	48,718%	51,282%	53,846%	56,41%	58,974%	61,538%	64,103%	66,667%	69,231%	71,795%	74,359%	76,923%	79,487%	82,051%	84,615%	87,179%	89,744%	92,308%	94,872%	97,436%	100%
	G8	2,632%	5,263%	7,895%	10,526%	13,158%	15,789%	18,421%	21,053%	23,684%	26,316%	28,947%	31,579%	34,211%	36,842%	39,474%	42,105%	44,737%	47,368%	50%	52,632%	55,263%	57,895%	60,526%	63,158%	65,789%	68,421%	71,053%	73,684%	76,316%	78,947%	81,579%	84,211%	86,842%	89,474%	92,105%	94,737%	97,368%	100%
	G7	2,703%	5,405%	8,108%	10,811%	13,514%	16,216%	18,919%	21,622%	24,324%	27,027%	29,730%	32,432%	35,135%	37,838%	40,541%	43,243%	45,946%	48,649%	51,351%	54,054%	56,757%	59,459%	62,162%	64,865%	67,568%	70,270%	72,973%	75,676%	78,378%	81,081%	83,784%	86,486%	89,189%	91,892%	94,595%	97,297%	100%
	G6	2,778%	5,556%	8,333%	11,111%	13,889%	16,667%	19,444%	22,222%	25%	27,778%	30,556%	33,333%	36,111%	38,889%	41,667%	44,444%	47,222%	50%	52,778%	55,556%	58,333%	61,111%	63,889%	66,667%	69,444%	72,222%	75%	77,778%	80,556%	83,333%	86,111%	88,889%	91,667%	94,444%	97,222%	100%
	G5	2,857%	5,714%	8,571%	11,429%	14,286%	17,143%	20%	22,857%	25,714%	28,571%	31,429%	34,286%	37,143%	40%	42,857%	45,714%	48,571%	51,429%	54,286%	57,143%	60%	62,857%	65,714%	68,571%	71,429%	74,286%	77,143%	80%	82,857%	85,714%	88,571%	91,429%	94,286%	97,143%	100%
	G4	2,941%	5,882%	8,824%	11,765%	14,706%	17,647%	20,588%	23,529%	26,471%	29,412%	32,353%	35,294%	38,235%	41,176%	44,118%	47,059%	50%	52,941%	55,882%	58,824%	61,765%	64,706%	67,647%	70,588%	73,529%	76,471%	79,412%	82,353%	85,294%	88,235%	91,176%	94,118%	97,059%	100%
	G3	3,030%	6,061%	9,091%	12,121%	15,152%	18,182%	21,212%	24,242%	27,273%	30,303%	33,333%	36,364%	39,394%	42,424%	45,455%	48,485%	51,515%	54,545%	57,576%	60,606%	63,636%	66,667%	69,697%	72,727%	75,758%	78,788%	81,818%	84,848%	87,879%	90,909%	93,939%	96,970%	100%
	G2	3,125%	6,25%	9,375%	12,5%	15,625%	18,75%	21,875%	25%	28,125%	31,25%	34,375%	37,5%	40,625%	43,75%	46,875%	50%	53,125%	56,25%	59,375%	62,5%	65,625%	68,75%	71,875%	75%	78,125%	81,25%	84,375%	87,5%	90,625%	93,75%	96,875%	100%
	G1	3,226%	6,452%	9,677%	12,903%	16,129%	19,355%	22,581%	25,806%	29,032%	32,258%	35,484%	38,71%	41,935%	45,161%	48,387%	51,613%	54,839%	58,065%	61,29%	64,516%	67,742%	70,968%	74,194%	77,419%	80,645%	83,871%	87,097%	90,323%	93,548%	96,774%	100%
	M10	3,333%	6,667%	10%	13,333%	16,667%	20%	23,333%	26,667%	30%	33,333%	36,667%	40%	43,333%	46,667%	50%	53,333%	56,667%	60%	63,333%	66,667%	70%	73,333%	76,667%	80%	83,333%	86,667%	90%	93,333%	96,667%	100%
	M9	3,448%	6,897%	10,345%	13,793%	17,241%	20,69%	24,138%	27,586%	31,034%	34,483%	37,931%	41,379%	44,828%	48,276%	51,724%	55,172%	58,621%	62,069%	65,517%	68,966%	72,414%	75,862%	79,31%	82,759%	86,207%	89,655%	93,103%	96,552%	100%
	M8	3,571%	7,143%	10,714%	14,286%	17,857%	21,429%	25%	28,571%	32,143%	35,714%	39,286%	42,857%	46,429%	50%	53,571%	57,143%	60,714%	64,286%	67,857%	71,429%	75%	78,571%	82,143%	85,714%	89,286%	92,857%	96,429%	100%
	M7	3,704%	7,407%	11,111%	14,815%	18,519%	22,222%	25,926%	29,63%	33,333%	37,037%	40,741%	44,444%	48,148%	51,852%	55,556%	59,259%	62,963%	66,667%	70,37%	74,074%	77,778%	81,481%	85,185%	88,889%	92,593%	96,296%	100%
	M6	3,846%	7,692%	11,538%	15,385%	19,231%	23,077%	26,923%	30,769%	34,615%	38,462%	42,308%	46,154%	50%	53,846%	57,692%	61,538%	65,385%	69,231%	73,077%	76,923%	80,769%	84,615%	88,462%	92,308%	96,154%	100%
	M5	4%	8%	12%	16%	20%	24%	28%	32%	36%	40%	44%	48%	52%	56%	60%	64%	68%	72%	76%	80%	84%	88%	92%	96%	100%
	M4	4,167%	8,333%	12,5%	16,667%	20,833%	25%	29,167%	33,333%	37,5%	41,667%	45,833%	50%	54,167%	58,333%	62,5%	66,667%	70,833%	75%	79,167%	83,333%	87,5%	91,667%	95,833%	100%
	M3	4,348%	8,696%	13,043%	17,391%	21,739%	26,087%	30,435%	34,783%	39,13%	43,478%	47,826%	52,174%	56,522%	60,87%	65,217%	69,565%	73,913%	78,261%	82,609%	86,957%	91,304%	95,652%	100%
	M2	4,545%	9,091%	13,636%	18,182%	22,727%	27,273%	31,818%	36,364%	40,909%	45,455%	50%	54,545%	59,091%	63,636%	68,182%	72,727%	77,273%	81,818%	86,364%	90,909%	95,455%	100%
	M1	4,762%	9,524%	14,286%	19,048%	23,81%	28,571%	33,333%	38,095%	42,857%	47,619%	52,381%	57,143%	61,905%	66,667%	71,429%	76,19%	80,952%	85,714%	90,476%	95,238%	100%
	19	5%	10%	15%	20%	25%	30%	35%	40%	45%	50%	55%	60%	65%	70%	75%	80%	85%	90%	95%	100%
	18	5,263%	10,526%	15,789%	21,053%	26,316%	31,579%	36,842%	42,105%	47,368%	52,632%	57,895%	63,158%	68,421%	73,684%	78,947%	84,211%	89,474%	94,737%	100%
	17	5,556%	11,111%	16,667%	22,222%	27,778%	33,333%	38,889%	44,444%	50%	55,556%	61,111%	66,667%	72,222%	77,778%	83,333%	88,889%	94,444%	100%
	16	5,882%	11,765%	17,647%	23,529%	29,412%	35,294%	41,176%	47,059%	52,941%	58,824%	64,706%	70,588%	76,471%	82,353%	88,235%	94,118%	100%
	15	6,25%	12,5%	18,75%	25%	31,25%	37,5%	43,75%	50%	56,25%	62,5%	68,75%	75%	81,25%	87,5%	93,75%	100%
	14	6,667%	13,333%	20%	26,667%	33,333%	40%	46,667%	53,333%	60%	66,667%	73,333%	80%	86,667%	93,333%	100%
	13	7,143%	14,286%	21,429%	28,571%	35,714%	42,857%	50%	57,143%	64,286%	71,429%	78,571%	85,714%	92,857%	100
	12	7,692%	15,385%	23,077%	30,769%	38,462%	46,154%	53,846%	61,538%	69,231%	76,923%	84,615%	92,308%	100%
	11	8,333%	16,667%	25%	33,333%	41,667%	50%	58,333%	66,667%	75%	83,333%	91,667%	100%
	10	9,091%	18,182%	28,273%	36,364%	45,455%	54,545%	63,636%	72,727%	81,818%	90,909%	100%
	9	10%	20%	30%	40%	50%	60%	70%	80%	90%	100%
	8	11,111%	22,222%	33,333%	44,444%	55,556%	66,667%	77,778%	88,889%	100%
	7	12,5%	25%	37,5%	50%	62,5%	75%	87,5%	100%
	6	14,286%	28,571%	42,857%	57,143%	71,429%	85,714%	100%
	5	16,667%	33,333%	50%	66,667%	83,333%	100%
	4	20%	40%	60%	80%	100%
	3	25%	50%	75%	100%
	2	33,333%	66,667%	100%
	1	50%	100%
	0	100%

StenlyJessovity píše:Protože se mi furt stává to, že když odevzdám vzácnější item... tak mi ho skoro vždy vezme, na rozdíl od běžných itemů. (Nejvíce se mi to děje teď, co mám zručku víc jak G1)

nesmysl že by to spolu nějak souviselo

Chyumgo píše:Ahoj, pro výpočet % na úspěšné odevzdání předmětu je tu tabulka od hráče Itako. Jestli ale mluví stoprocentně pravdu, to můžeme jen spekulovat.

Itako píše:

Zručnosť:

	Stupeň zručnosti	1.item	2.item	3.item	4.item	5.item	6.item	7.item	8.item	9.item	10.item	11.item	12.item	13.item	14.item	15.item	16.item	17.item	18.item	19.item	20.item	21.item	22.item	23.item	24.item	25.item	26.item	27.item	28.item	29.item	30.item	31.item	32.item	33.item	34.item	35.item	36.item	37.item	38.item	39.item	40.item
	G10	2,5%	5%	7,5%	10%	12,5%	15%	17,5%	20%	22,5%	25%	27,5%	30%	32,5%	35%	37,5%	40%	42,5%	45%	47,5%	50%	52,5%	55%	57,5%	60%	62,5%	65%	67,5%	70%	72,5%	75%	77,5%	80%	82,5%	85%	87,5%	90%	92,5%	95%	97,5%	100%
	G9	2,564%	5,128%	7,692%	10,256%	12,821%	15,385%	17,949%	20,513%	23,077%	25,641%	28,205%	30,769%	33,3%	35,897%	38,462%	41,026%	43,59%	46,154%	48,718%	51,282%	53,846%	56,41%	58,974%	61,538%	64,103%	66,667%	69,231%	71,795%	74,359%	76,923%	79,487%	82,051%	84,615%	87,179%	89,744%	92,308%	94,872%	97,436%	100%
	G8	2,632%	5,263%	7,895%	10,526%	13,158%	15,789%	18,421%	21,053%	23,684%	26,316%	28,947%	31,579%	34,211%	36,842%	39,474%	42,105%	44,737%	47,368%	50%	52,632%	55,263%	57,895%	60,526%	63,158%	65,789%	68,421%	71,053%	73,684%	76,316%	78,947%	81,579%	84,211%	86,842%	89,474%	92,105%	94,737%	97,368%	100%
	G7	2,703%	5,405%	8,108%	10,811%	13,514%	16,216%	18,919%	21,622%	24,324%	27,027%	29,730%	32,432%	35,135%	37,838%	40,541%	43,243%	45,946%	48,649%	51,351%	54,054%	56,757%	59,459%	62,162%	64,865%	67,568%	70,270%	72,973%	75,676%	78,378%	81,081%	83,784%	86,486%	89,189%	91,892%	94,595%	97,297%	100%
	G6	2,778%	5,556%	8,333%	11,111%	13,889%	16,667%	19,444%	22,222%	25%	27,778%	30,556%	33,333%	36,111%	38,889%	41,667%	44,444%	47,222%	50%	52,778%	55,556%	58,333%	61,111%	63,889%	66,667%	69,444%	72,222%	75%	77,778%	80,556%	83,333%	86,111%	88,889%	91,667%	94,444%	97,222%	100%
	G5	2,857%	5,714%	8,571%	11,429%	14,286%	17,143%	20%	22,857%	25,714%	28,571%	31,429%	34,286%	37,143%	40%	42,857%	45,714%	48,571%	51,429%	54,286%	57,143%	60%	62,857%	65,714%	68,571%	71,429%	74,286%	77,143%	80%	82,857%	85,714%	88,571%	91,429%	94,286%	97,143%	100%
	G4	2,941%	5,882%	8,824%	11,765%	14,706%	17,647%	20,588%	23,529%	26,471%	29,412%	32,353%	35,294%	38,235%	41,176%	44,118%	47,059%	50%	52,941%	55,882%	58,824%	61,765%	64,706%	67,647%	70,588%	73,529%	76,471%	79,412%	82,353%	85,294%	88,235%	91,176%	94,118%	97,059%	100%
	G3	3,030%	6,061%	9,091%	12,121%	15,152%	18,182%	21,212%	24,242%	27,273%	30,303%	33,333%	36,364%	39,394%	42,424%	45,455%	48,485%	51,515%	54,545%	57,576%	60,606%	63,636%	66,667%	69,697%	72,727%	75,758%	78,788%	81,818%	84,848%	87,879%	90,909%	93,939%	96,970%	100%
	G2	3,125%	6,25%	9,375%	12,5%	15,625%	18,75%	21,875%	25%	28,125%	31,25%	34,375%	37,5%	40,625%	43,75%	46,875%	50%	53,125%	56,25%	59,375%	62,5%	65,625%	68,75%	71,875%	75%	78,125%	81,25%	84,375%	87,5%	90,625%	93,75%	96,875%	100%
	G1	3,226%	6,452%	9,677%	12,903%	16,129%	19,355%	22,581%	25,806%	29,032%	32,258%	35,484%	38,71%	41,935%	45,161%	48,387%	51,613%	54,839%	58,065%	61,29%	64,516%	67,742%	70,968%	74,194%	77,419%	80,645%	83,871%	87,097%	90,323%	93,548%	96,774%	100%
	M10	3,333%	6,667%	10%	13,333%	16,667%	20%	23,333%	26,667%	30%	33,333%	36,667%	40%	43,333%	46,667%	50%	53,333%	56,667%	60%	63,333%	66,667%	70%	73,333%	76,667%	80%	83,333%	86,667%	90%	93,333%	96,667%	100%
	M9	3,448%	6,897%	10,345%	13,793%	17,241%	20,69%	24,138%	27,586%	31,034%	34,483%	37,931%	41,379%	44,828%	48,276%	51,724%	55,172%	58,621%	62,069%	65,517%	68,966%	72,414%	75,862%	79,31%	82,759%	86,207%	89,655%	93,103%	96,552%	100%
	M8	3,571%	7,143%	10,714%	14,286%	17,857%	21,429%	25%	28,571%	32,143%	35,714%	39,286%	42,857%	46,429%	50%	53,571%	57,143%	60,714%	64,286%	67,857%	71,429%	75%	78,571%	82,143%	85,714%	89,286%	92,857%	96,429%	100%
	M7	3,704%	7,407%	11,111%	14,815%	18,519%	22,222%	25,926%	29,63%	33,333%	37,037%	40,741%	44,444%	48,148%	51,852%	55,556%	59,259%	62,963%	66,667%	70,37%	74,074%	77,778%	81,481%	85,185%	88,889%	92,593%	96,296%	100%
	M6	3,846%	7,692%	11,538%	15,385%	19,231%	23,077%	26,923%	30,769%	34,615%	38,462%	42,308%	46,154%	50%	53,846%	57,692%	61,538%	65,385%	69,231%	73,077%	76,923%	80,769%	84,615%	88,462%	92,308%	96,154%	100%
	M5	4%	8%	12%	16%	20%	24%	28%	32%	36%	40%	44%	48%	52%	56%	60%	64%	68%	72%	76%	80%	84%	88%	92%	96%	100%
	M4	4,167%	8,333%	12,5%	16,667%	20,833%	25%	29,167%	33,333%	37,5%	41,667%	45,833%	50%	54,167%	58,333%	62,5%	66,667%	70,833%	75%	79,167%	83,333%	87,5%	91,667%	95,833%	100%
	M3	4,348%	8,696%	13,043%	17,391%	21,739%	26,087%	30,435%	34,783%	39,13%	43,478%	47,826%	52,174%	56,522%	60,87%	65,217%	69,565%	73,913%	78,261%	82,609%	86,957%	91,304%	95,652%	100%
	M2	4,545%	9,091%	13,636%	18,182%	22,727%	27,273%	31,818%	36,364%	40,909%	45,455%	50%	54,545%	59,091%	63,636%	68,182%	72,727%	77,273%	81,818%	86,364%	90,909%	95,455%	100%
	M1	4,762%	9,524%	14,286%	19,048%	23,81%	28,571%	33,333%	38,095%	42,857%	47,619%	52,381%	57,143%	61,905%	66,667%	71,429%	76,19%	80,952%	85,714%	90,476%	95,238%	100%
	19	5%	10%	15%	20%	25%	30%	35%	40%	45%	50%	55%	60%	65%	70%	75%	80%	85%	90%	95%	100%
	18	5,263%	10,526%	15,789%	21,053%	26,316%	31,579%	36,842%	42,105%	47,368%	52,632%	57,895%	63,158%	68,421%	73,684%	78,947%	84,211%	89,474%	94,737%	100%
	17	5,556%	11,111%	16,667%	22,222%	27,778%	33,333%	38,889%	44,444%	50%	55,556%	61,111%	66,667%	72,222%	77,778%	83,333%	88,889%	94,444%	100%
	16	5,882%	11,765%	17,647%	23,529%	29,412%	35,294%	41,176%	47,059%	52,941%	58,824%	64,706%	70,588%	76,471%	82,353%	88,235%	94,118%	100%
	15	6,25%	12,5%	18,75%	25%	31,25%	37,5%	43,75%	50%	56,25%	62,5%	68,75%	75%	81,25%	87,5%	93,75%	100%
	14	6,667%	13,333%	20%	26,667%	33,333%	40%	46,667%	53,333%	60%	66,667%	73,333%	80%	86,667%	93,333%	100%
	13	7,143%	14,286%	21,429%	28,571%	35,714%	42,857%	50%	57,143%	64,286%	71,429%	78,571%	85,714%	92,857%	100
	12	7,692%	15,385%	23,077%	30,769%	38,462%	46,154%	53,846%	61,538%	69,231%	76,923%	84,615%	92,308%	100%
	11	8,333%	16,667%	25%	33,333%	41,667%	50%	58,333%	66,667%	75%	83,333%	91,667%	100%
	10	9,091%	18,182%	28,273%	36,364%	45,455%	54,545%	63,636%	72,727%	81,818%	90,909%	100%
	9	10%	20%	30%	40%	50%	60%	70%	80%	90%	100%
	8	11,111%	22,222%	33,333%	44,444%	55,556%	66,667%	77,778%	88,889%	100%
	7	12,5%	25%	37,5%	50%	62,5%	75%	87,5%	100%
	6	14,286%	28,571%	42,857%	57,143%	71,429%	85,714%	100%
	5	16,667%	33,333%	50%	66,667%	83,333%	100%
	4	20%	40%	60%	80%	100%
	3	25%	50%	75%	100%
	2	33,333%	66,667%	100%
	1	50%	100%
	0	100%

No já nevím. Oficiální řetězec by měl vypadat jinak. Řetězec se dá spočítat, je to vždy 100 (%) / maximálná počet předmětů.

100/40=2,5% šance na úspěch že uzná 1. předmět z G10 na P
100/39=2,56% šance na úspěch že uzná 2. předmět z G10 na P
.....
100%3=33,3% šance na úspěch že uzná 38. předmět z G10 na P
100%2=50% šance na úspěch že uzná 39. předmět z G10 na P
100%1=100% šance na úspěch že uzná 40. předmět z G10 na P
Takhle se dá spočítat kompletní řetězec.

kousek tabulky by tedy měl vypadat takto:

Lv | 1.item |2.item | 3.item |4.item
---P| 2,50% | 2,56% | 2,63% | 2,70%
G10| 2,56% | 2,63% | 2,70% | 2,77%
G09| 2,63% | 2,70% | 2,77% | 2,85%
G08| 2,70% | 2,77% | 2,85% | 2,94%
G07| 2,77% | 2,85% | 2,94% | 3,03%

Když nesete 4. item z G10 na P, systém vám vždy nalosuje šanci 2,7%, že vám předmět uzná. Ale Itako v tabulce počítá "skutečnou šanci".
Na P vzal základních 2,5% na uznání a násobí to počtem pokusů (donesených předmětů), takže 4.předmět na P počítá jako 2,5% + 2,5% +2,5% + 2,5% = 10% šance na uznání.

edit: úprava